Again and again terrorists claim that 80% of Indonesian population is muslim. Islam considers Ahmadiyah a heretic. Hence, terrorists claim that they are justified to terrorize Ahmadiyah people.
Fine. Every country has a group of people they don’t like. Why don’t we create a referendum and see if 2/3 rd of Indonesians want Ahmadiyah kicked out. If indeed that’s the case, we’ll give Ahmadiyah 10 years to say find asylums. I too will start finding asylum if 2/3 of Indonesians think they should kick people out for having a different opinion.
Islam or not, religions or not, let the people choose. This is democracy. Let’s have that referendum. Let’s see how popular those terrorists are. I think there are more Indonesians that want to get rid those terrorists than those wanting to get rid Ahmadiyah. But I may be wrong. So let’s find out.
By saying that there are 80% muslims in Indonesia and islam consider Ahmadiyah’s heretics, terrorists are doing creative accounting. They essentially want to suggest that 80% of Indonesians agree with them.
Here is how the creative accounting works. People have big difference of opinions. It’s just fact. Any major religions that gain a lot of market share must be “flexible.”
You can’t have it both way.
If Islam has a very narrow doctrine the way the terrorists want us to believe, most indonesians are simply non muslim. That means terrorists shouldn’t count the kejawen, the jamaah islam liberal, Gus Dur’s followers, the “islam KTP”, etc as muslims. which is simply the majority of muslims in Indonesia. By the way, why not let all those people have their true beliefs show up in their KTP anyway?
If Islam has wide doctrine, then it’s simply the fact that the majority of indonesians, muslim or not, do not agree with those terrorists.
No matter how you compute it, the number of people that want to exterminate those Ahmadiyah should be the same.
Terrorists’ creative accounting happens on how they define islam. In counting the number of muslims, terrorists use the “wide” definition. However in defining what those muslim want, they use the “narrow” definition of islam, namely their own.
Well, are we going to let a small minority of terrorists decide our political stance or are we going to choose for our self, what we think is best for this country.
Only 30% of Germany are Nazis. Yet that small group of facists finally manages to take over the country and bring world war to the whole world in the name of all German people.
Perhaps the greatest irony of all those failed ideology is that in a sense they are successful. Communism and Nazim fail to deliver result for the people they lead and the world in general. Yet, unfortunately they are successful at one thing. They’re successful to rule, at everyone’s else expense. And that’s what the terrorists truly want. They want to rule and enslave us at everyone’s expense. They want to screw everyone on our name. They’ll fail to deliver result except to themselves.
Now those facists have a new flag. The used islam to justify their facism. Are we going to let them? Let’s fine out in a referendum.
Arguments are often futile against deluded people. Let’s settle this once and for all in an obvious way. Get a referendum. Let those that want to kick people out donate money for the costs.
I seriously doubt those terrorists can get get 2/3 rd of votes though. Maybe in some province but not the whole Indonesia.
You see, there is a reason why Osama bin Laden hate democracy. Somehow he knows that his idea is not going to win votes. There is a reason why most tyrants that govern muslim countries restrict freedom of speech. Somehow they know that freedom of information is not in their favor. They just don’t want their people to know.
The way we evolve we either compete or fight and occasionally cooperate. Still life has a lot of zero sum aspects. Hence people have different of opinions when it comes to ideology. They have different interests. Those differences of opinions don’t vary as much across all societies.
It varies more between people within a society more than between societies. That’s why democratic countries are sort of alike to each other. They have the same median and the opinion of that median don’t change much. The median rules in democratic countries due to median vote theorem if you want to get technical.
In one spectrum capitalists and libertarian wants free competition all the way. In other spectrum, some people want everything decided by political power. Terrorists are obviously on this end of the spectrum.
Most people, however, realize that free competition brings awesome results, but politic is inevitable. So most people are somewhat moderates.
Let’s examine the statement that 80% of Indonesians are muslims and islam consider ahmadiyah as heretic. How many Indonesians, including muslims do you think will think that being heretic means they worth kicking out?
Most of us do not want to be led by dictators. Most of us just want to increase our GDP rather than wasting our time over every petty difference. What’s the point of being a democratic country if we have to agree with terrorists first before we vote?
We know that countries that restrict freedom of opinion will end up to being led by tyrants. From communism, to Nazim, to Rashidun Chaliphate that the terrorist speak so highly, to contemporary Saudi, all have one common trait, they are all end up being led by a tyrant. That tyrant then simply use their power to oppress the people for their own gain.
Rashidun Chaliphate, a country so spoken highly by supporters of Sharia law, is finally ruled by Yasid that massacred and enslaved virtually all Muhammad’s descendants. The majority of muslim simply pledged their loyalty to Yasid though, out of fear. The one that doesn’t, Hussain, is slaughtered.
Yasid himself is a drunkard tyrant that likes to do orgies. Just like contemporary Saudi’s princes, according to wikileak. Just check http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/07/wikileaks-cables-saudi-princes-parties .
Yea, we got wikileak now, unlike 3000-1400 years ago, by the way. Let’s just say the gap between perception and reality, which is often the whole profit margins of politicians, are simply getting less and less.
Warriors and bullshitters should simply accept that their share in information age is going to get lesser and lesser. That’s the true motives behind those terrorists. They want to rule us with iron fist. They want to prohibit difference of opinions so they can force us so they can kill and oppress others in our name. They want to prohibit freedom of information so they can lie to us. They just can’t accept that their days are gone, long gone. This is information age. You can’t deceive and force people as easily now as it used to be.
You can check all these in wikipedia. Yasid’s dad, Muamiyah, that inherited the kingdom to Yasid, used Islam to pursue his own end. When he’s about to lose, he’ll put quran on tip of his soldiers’ spears so things are settled through mediation. Just like terrorists use Islam to avoid our wrath. After that, he indirectly, through his son that he chose to replace him, slaughter Muhammad’s descendant.
Is this the kind of leader Indonesians want? Muslim or not, do we want to be ruled by this type of people?
That’s the true face of terrorism and power. That’s what will happen if we restrict freedom of opinion. If we restrict freedom of opinions, we will all be lead by tyrants like Yasid. I know fully well that many of our politicians want to be like Yasid. We are a very corrupt country and our religious ministry is one of the most corrupt departments. Do we want to keep letting them?
Again and again fascist ideologies fail to deliver. Again and again we hear ad hoc assumption on how it’s the leader, and not the ideology that’s wrong. However stupidity and blind faith among the population is the one that make that kind of people to be leaders.
Fine, get something working then. Dubai is an islamic country too. If those terrorists practice their beating in Dubai, I bet they’ve been hanging by now. In any case, it simply makes sense to follow something successful now than something messed up right?
How many of our citizens want our country to be more like Taliban? C’mon. You like leaving in caves? Free market has improved our percapita income 4 times in mere 8 years. Free market works. Talibanism doesn’t.
This is a real world. Theories won’t cut it. They’re wrong, but arguments will lead to nowhere. Just see results. Dubai, US, or Taliban? What kind of country we want to be? If we’re not on the cutting edge of civilization, which we aren’t, it’s best to just follow those who are.
We are Asians. The japs say, why bother inventing. Just copy. That’s what we as Asians do. Why bother arguing for the best ideology. Just see whichever ideology bring prosperity to its people, and then copy. Simple?
Yes, islam can be one of the best ideology 1400 years ago. The key word here is 1400 y ears ago. Saying that it’s the way to go now is like saying intel 8086 is the best CPU ever.
Most of us, favor freedom or religion. Freedom of religion at least means freedom to choose religions. Only heretics and apostates ever choose their religion. If even that’s not allowed, what’s the meaning of our freedom of religion?
Because we didn’t have freedom of religions, our ancestors fought among themselves over petty doctrines. Because they follow blind faith rather than reason, they can’t reason out their differences. Then the dutch easily control and govern us. So why repeat the same mistake our ancestors make?
Let’s use our democracy for any significantly controversial issue. At the end, the true problem is not muslim vs non muslim. The true issue is whether we agree or want to be governed by those terrorists or not. I don’t. Do you? Well, get us that referendum and we’ll find that out.
Perhaps Islam is Not The Greatest Problem, Creative Accounting Is is a post from: Free Market Forever